New Mixed games List Request

[BigKahuna]

I have been thinking for a while and after talking to Quads on Saturday, I want to put together a regular list of people who would be interested in a regular mixed game format similar to the "Big Game" but at our stakes. I am thinking about playing monthly in this format to promote better understanding of all games plus I miss my roots of playing 7CS and RAZZ long before I played NLH.

I am proposing a 6-8 handed table with 7CS, Razz, Omaha Hi/Lo, NLH.

Based on how the game goes, might decide that Omaha Hi works better and might take out Razz because it is a dying game although I love it and I think it helps Omaha H/L skills.

Any feedback is welcome but I most want a reply as to whether you want to be on the list as a definitel player for this type of game.

[Hagar]

I'd be interested if we keep the limits down a little ($50 buy-in max). I'd suggest that if we're going to do the 7 stud formats, that you limit the attendance to 7 - 8 gets funky with having to do reshuffles if everyone hangs around. It would be a fun change of pace (if we had a pace to change from...).

What are you thinking, 30 minutes per game? One game per orbit?

I like Razz, been a while since I played it, but I remember how brutal it is to watch a great starter get punked on later streets. Could also add 7 stud 8OB hi/low to the mix if you wanted. That's a pot builder if I ever saw one.

I noticed that the only game you have specified as NL is Holdem. Is that on purpose or just an oversight?

How are you figuring the stud game format? Small ante per player, forced low card bring-in?

[Quads]

I fully support it and at any level.
My preference would be a rotation from O8B, NLH, and 7CS.
I have been thinking about hosting this since we spoke of it as well.

[Ace-in-Space]

HOSE is good. I prefer no Razz. 8 handed would be max. 9 handed is doable but one player would have to sit out per hand on a rotation basis (on the studs games).


I propose the following:

Buy in :$100 (probably need to bring a $200-
$300 BR), 30-min per game.

H: HE No Limit
Blinds $0.50/$1 (our normal game)

O: O8OB Limit
Blinds $1/$2. (preflop and flop bets $2, turn and river bets $4), 3 raises (no limit on raise if heads up)

S: 7CS Limit
Antes:$0.25
3rd Street Low card force bet: $1, optional complete bet to $2. (if the same low cards the suits will be clubs (low), diamonds, hearts, spades (high)
4th Street $2 or optional $4 if a pair is showing.
5th, 6th, and 7th Street $4. 3 raises max per round (no limit on raises if heads up)

E: 7CS8OB Limit
Antes:$0.25
3rd Street Low card force bet: $1, optional complete bet to $2.
4th Street $2 (no optional $4 if a pair is showing.)
5th, 6th, and 7th Street $4. 3 raises max per round (no limit on raises if heads up)

I will play at a higher limit also (e.g., with all limits double in the above 4 games.)

We could also issue "Overs" buttons for people who want to play at the higher limit on the limit game (i.e., if only people with the overs are left in the hand the limits double).

[Hagar]

I'd probably prefer a spread limit on the stud games (1-5 on 1-4th streets, 1-10 on 5-7th streets), but I could live with Ace's proposal. I'd vote to include Razz. (HORSE)

[Ace-in-Space]

I guess I will brush up on razz then.

Spread limit is okay, although most people would tend to bet the maximum.

The limit version of the game I described was based on the $2/$4 structure at pokerstars below. I wouldn't mind playing the $3/$6 or $4/$8 or even $5/$10.

http://www.pokerstars.com/limits.html

[Hagar]

Spread limit is okay, although most people would tend to bet the maximum.

You're probably right on that account. I'm just recalling the game I was playing back in the day. I'm pretty sure that's how they spread it in the casinos when I was playing 20 years ago. It may have been 1-3 on third street - .50 forced bet for low card, $1 bring in. Something like that....

Thinking along the lines of betting the max, a 5/10 would be pretty steep for the buy-in. Maybe your proposed structure would be better, at least for a starting point.

[Quads]

As I understand HORSE, E is not 7CS8OB, it's O8B, but what ever.

[Hagar]

Either way would work, but we already have Omaha 8OB so we could make it Omaha High only if that suits the purpose better. It will be a funky (not bad, just different) night no matter what we choose.

[Pablo Sanchez]

I'm fully in favor of a mixed game. In fact, I have talked about it with Quads recently.
I like the horse format, with one orbit per game.
I prefer Pot-limit for the Omaha games (or all of them for that matter).
I have been thinking of hosting one of these games myself. Keep the suggestions flowing.

[Hagar]

I'd like to get a bit more familiar with the format before we start messing with pot limit. Just my opinion.

[Ender]

Quads,

I'm VERY INTERESTED in playing a game like you mentioned.
We could go: $100 buyin (or $50 if we need more people)

1. Omaha H/L 8
2. 7-card Stud
3. NLHE

Possibly some PLHE?? I know how much you love PL.
I'd keep it at 3 games in one night. Maybe rotate each hour or orbit.

-Kid

[Pablo Sanchez]

I am considering hosting as follows:
Mixed Game on Wednesday November 2. 6:30 pm start time
Will aim for 7-8 players. $40 buy in
Games will rotate among these (each orbit) :
1. Pot Limit Holdem $.50/1.00 blinds
2. Omaha High (pot-limit) $.50/1.00 blinds
3. 7 Card Stud (limit) $0.25 antes $1/2 force/complete $2/4 limit thereafter.
4. Omaha Hi/Lo Split (limit) $1/2 blinds $2/4 limit

In the future I intend to incorporate Razz and/or 2to7 Triple Draw into the mix, but not at this 1st game.

I am open to a different night if that Wed does not work well for most people.

Who's interested? If i get enough interested folks, i'll repost in the game announcements section.

1. Scooter
2. BW
3-8. ?

[joerammerjr]

I would definently be interedsted in playing these type of games.

My preferences would be:
1. Omaha 8B H/L Limit 1/2
2. NL Hold Em .50/1
3. 7 Card Stud

Heat, can't make it to the Wednesday night game since I am in school and working Sunday thru Thursday night every week. The only days that I am available to play would be on Fridays And Saturdays.

[Quads]

I am considering hosting as follows:
Mixed Game on Wednesday November 2. 6:30 pm start time
Will aim for 7-8 players. $40 buy in
Games will rotate among these (each orbit) :
1. Pot Limit Holdem $.50/1.00 blinds
2. Omaha High (pot-limit) $.50/1.00 blinds
3. 7 Card Stud (limit) $0.25 antes $1/2 force/complete $2/4 limit thereafter.
4. Omaha Hi/Lo Split (limit) $1/2 blinds $2/4 limit

In the future I intend to incorporate Razz and/or 2to7 Triple Draw into the mix, but not at this 1st game.

I am open to a different night if that Wed does not work well for most people.

Who's interested? If i get enough interested folks, i'll repost in the game announcements section.

1. Scooter
2. BW
3-8. ?

I'd be in with this suggestion:
Rotate the orbit as you stated.
NL Omaha / High ($1/2 Blinds)
NL Hold'em ($1/2 blinds)
7CS ($1/$2/$4 - Low card is the forced bet)
PL Omaha 8B ($1/2 Blinds)

My absolute preference would be $2/5 blinds, but for a starter mixed game, I think $1/2 will generate enough action and no one will get broke in the first hour.

Although Wed. the 2ns is not good for me. (Need to be in Vegas for a meeting that afternoon (business) and then again that night (at the Wynn) )

Lastly, if you're planning on hosting it, get it over in the Game Announcements and let 'er rip!

[Ace-in-Space]

I should be able to play on 11/2. However, my karate practice is over at 7 over there on EDH Bl. and Olson. So I should be there by 7:15 (I might leave the practice earlier.)

I might have to go out of town for 2 days on business between 11/1 to 11/14 so I can't commit totally.

Count me in as a late arrival for now.

[Hagar]

I'll be out of town next week. Weeknights are not the best for me anyway.

[Ace-in-Space]

The buy in for the $2/$4 needs to be higher. I would suggest $50 to preferrably $100.

[Hagar]

Even $100 is pushiung it for that spread.

[Ace-in-Space]

Not sure what you mean but I don't think $40 is enough to go through that gyration of game. Even our normal $0.50/$1 needs $50 to start.

[Hagar]

I mena that even $100 is a little light for the limits indicated.

[BigKahuna]

Boy, I am glad this topic has gotten alot of mileage and it seems like it has legs. I welcome all hosts for this type of game. I have a format in mind for mine and I will be molding it over the next couple of weeks before I send the official evite.

Again, mine will be a monthly game at least and will include a format that I will most likely stick with for a while so we can get used to it before we pepper in other games. I have researched some possible formats from B&M, online, and the bigger games and I will post my format for criticism in the next week or two.

In the meantime, I look forward to one of your games to fine tune my own format so look for evite in the coming weeks. I think we have enough people to make this an ongoing game.

I am also not available on Nov. 2

My games will most likely be held on Friday nights.

[Pablo Sanchez]

Nov 2 doesn't seem to work for too many folks. I'd going to do like BK and try to find an available weekend night to host. The next few are out for me, so i'll be sending an evite after that.
BTW, i think about $50 is sufficient for 2/4 limit games if you allow rebuys up to that amount anytime become short stacked. The max buy is really only intended to have an effect on the PL and NL games.
Lastly, my intention is to start some of these new games as limit games, then proceed to PL and NL as players get more comfortable. I haven't quite mastered "2 to7 triple draw" .........yet.

[Ace-in-Space]

Just stick to the games you are comfortable in playing. It doesn't have to be a decathlon of poker.

[BigKahuna]

Mine will be NL, PL and limit depending on the game that is played. I am trying to stick to the true structure of the mixed games format.

[BigKahuna]

Talked to my brother and we will be hosting our first mixed games night on Saturday Oct. 12

I will be posting the format for some scrutiny here tomorrow and then look for the evite on Friday. Should be fun going in this new direction.

[Ace-in-Space]

I believe you mean Nov. 12.

I am going to the Cal vs. USC game that day. However, the game time has not been determined. Even if the ball game starts at 12:30 I might not be able to make the poker game. (Did you notice that when I watched the Cal vs. WSU game at Hagar's Cal did score a single point?) As soon as I left Cal came back from 10 pts. down with 5 minutes remaining and won.

[BigKahuna]

It will be a later starting game Ace...like 8:30 pm that night. We will be starting and ending a bit later to accomodate Justin's son's bed time.

[Hagar]

(Did you notice that when I watched the Cal vs. WSU game at Hagar's Cal did score a single point?) As soon as I left Cal came back from 10 pts. down with 5 minutes remaining and won.

AS a matter of fact, we were all laughing it up big after you left about your team's timing Sat night. We flip it on and they're like 11 points up. You strted to mumble something about "Now don't you guys blow up again." and sure as shit, they looked like a pop warner team. AS soon as you left they started playing again and took control of the game for the victory. Bizarro.

[Ace-in-Space]

Basically they played a team who choked more than they did (WSU lost 3 games while leading in the 4th Qtr.)

[Rob]

Basically they played a team who choked more than they did (WSU lost 3 games while leading in the 4th Qtr.)

Well, it looked to us like your leaving had a positive effect on Cal's fortunes in that game. You might consider a 3rd quarter exit on the 12th, particularly if Cal is holding a lead... :lol:

hey! You might even be back in time for a poker game!

[Hagar]

I plan to be there. Hopefully this will go better than our first mixed experiment last year. That was insane.....

[Ace-in-Space]

No way I am leaving the Cal game early. I have seen some crazy things happened. Keep in mind, I was there in person and saw "The Play" in 1982. See below (I am sure you've seen it on TV many times but you should listen to the call by Joe Starkey, the Cal announcer.) Here is the text between Joe and Jan (the other announcer.)

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/co ... heplay.wav (http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/college_football/audiovideo/theplay.wav)

Joe: So with 31 seconds to go, they [Stanford] still have that time out left but still need to get a little further down field.
Here's Elway, bringing 'em up. Pitch back, breaking to his left is Doderer. Doderer may go all the way!!! He is dropped at the 17 yd. line! He swept to his left in a beautiful play; Anderson and Rogers made the tackle; but Stanford is now in position to win with a field goal. Oh my goodness, what a finish!! Clock has 23 seconds remaining. And they still have their time out left.

Jan: Clock begins to run again; it's down to 18. Let's see what Elway does. Pitch back; gives it to Doderer, sweeps to his right, he is dropped to the 18 yd. line. And now with 8 seconds to go...Kevin Moen makes the tackle, Stanford calls the time out and sets themselves up to win the game with a field goal - 35 yards....What a finish. I'll tell you this is something. And for John Elway to pull this out after being 4th and 17 on his own 13 yard line, with less than a minute to go is one of the most remarkable finishes you'll ever see.

Joe: Harmon's a great kicker. This is a gimme for Harmon from the 35. A 35 yard kick, 8 seconds to go. Mark Harmon, 35 will win it.... Listen to the crowd. Here's the snap; here's the kick; it is long and up, and it's GOOD!! Stanford hits it with 4 seconds to go! And takes the lead 20-19! Only a miracle could save the Bears as Stanford piles out on the field.

Now there will be a 15 yard penalty against Stanford on the kick-off for exuberance is about what it comes down to.

Jan: Joe, so this is the Big Game?!

Joe: Awesome, flow of emotion back and forth, great football. Well, this is some show I'll tell you. And now the Bears in a seemingly impossible situation. They have only one time-out left. They pretty well have to run it back... to save the game and boy, talk about a heartbreaking way to lose....But what a great way to win if you are a Stanford fan. 8 seconds to go, 35 yard kick by Harmon. [Nauseating Stanford fans and band heard in the background.] It'll go right up there with Langford's kick in '74, which was further of course...a 50 yarder at the buzzer.
The Bears' problem is...that although the kick-off will now come from the 25 yard line, it's unlikely that Ford can get the ball and get out of bounds far enough upfield to set up one try at the field goal. What a recovery by Stanford; you have to give them all sorts of credit. 4th and 17 at their own 13 yd. line, and it beats staring at them in the face, and they saved it. They pulled it out. What a show.

Alright here we go with the kick-off. Harmon will probably try to squib it and he does. Ball comes loose and the Bears have to get out of bounds. Rogers along the sideline, another one...they're still in deep trouble at midfield, they tried to do a couple of....the ball is still loose as they get it to Rogers. They get it back to the 30, they're down to the 20...Oh the band is out on the field!! He's gonna go into the endzone!!! He got into the endzone!! [voice quite hoarse at this point] Will it count? The Bears have scored [CANNON GOES OFF] but the bands are out on the field.

There were flags all over the place. Wait and see what happens; we don't know who won the game. There are flags on the field. We have to see whether or not the flags are against Stanford or Cal. The Bears may have made some illegal laterals. It could be that it won't count. The Bears, believe it or not, took it all the way into the endzone. If the penalty is against Stanford, California would win the game. If it is not, the game is over and Stanford has won. We've heard no decision yet. Everybody is milling around on the [crowd and Joe getting very, very loud now] FIELD!!! AND THE BEARS!!! THE BEARS HAVE WON!!! THE BEARS HAVE WON!!! Oh my God, the most amazing, sensational, traumatic, heart rending... exciting thrilling finish in the history of college football! California has won...the Big Game...over Stanford. Oh excuse me for my voice, but I have never, never seen anything like it in the history of I have ever seen any game in my life! The Bears have won it! There will be no extra point! Hold it right here, don't anybody go away....[crowd roaring wildly]

After just about everybody on the kick-off team handled the ball, Kevin Moen finally did it. And he ran through 15 members of the Stanford band, nobody tackled him. The Fool!....Glenn Shapiro, our statistician, has just held up a card and it says the truth. The Stanford band just cost their team that ball game. The Stanford band ran out on the field, it left all the defenders in an impossible situation to get to the Bears carrying the ball. They couldn't tackle 'em. The band, in effect, served as extra blockers, the official had no choice but to let the play go as was. The Bears have scored on the kick-off, brought it all the way back. At least 5 men handled the ball on one lateral after another. I thought Rogers was dead at one point. He got rid of the ball [CANNON GOES OFF, CROWD GOES WILD] I believe it was Kevin Moen that Jan said that scored the winning touchdown as the kick-off came from the 25 yard line. This place is like it has never been ever. Stanford can't believe it.

Jan: The field is covered with people. Stanford is standing around in a daze. The band is in the corner, doesn't know what to do. Blue and Gold is all over the field jumping in joy! 25-20 is the final score. The University of California has won the 85th Big Game!

Joe: The only thing were not sure of, Jan, is we'd like to credit the Stanford tuba player who threw the key block on the drive! We will be back, believe it or not, if we can compose ourselves. Right after this with a recap of today's unbelievable game. [Station identification]
Welcome back to Bezerkeley. It is indescribable here. The field is absolutely overwhelmed with Cal fans. The Stanford band is besides themselves with disappointment. They can't believe what happened to them in effect, because they were on the field before the Play ended, but they thought the Play was over. They in effect blocked and allowed Kevin Moen to score the winning touchdown. To recap it from the top, I know we got crazy because it was an hysterical scene. There were so many laterals, so many times it appeared that the Bears were finished, that the ball was simply being stopped cold, that it was impossible to even follow who had the ball because the Bears when they finally got down into Stanford territory, had the problem of having to run through the Stanford band. We literally couldn't see who had the ball, or who was running with it.

I guarantee you, if you watch college football for the rest of your life, you will never again see or hear a game to match this one for pure dramatic excitement in the most spectacular...crazy, amazing remarkable games I have ever seen. You cannot believe the sight here at Berkeley as the Axe is now being carried. The Axe is now being carried around the field by the Bears. Rich Dixon, I believe, has got his hands on it. Rich Dixon's got it in his hands. It looks like, uh, trying to pick out some of the other players down there, Jan, but again we should point out it's Kevin Moen. If it does not sound like a credible broadcast of the final play, my apologies. But believe me we didn't know how to call it until it was over either.

Jan: I don't want to apologize. It was just so wonderful to be a part of this event today. And down at the end, it looks like the Old Blue rugby team. The Old Blues that have been the national champion year after year had put that play in, because at least 6 or 7 different Bears touched the ball as they lateraled it. All good legal laterals moving down field before Moen finally ran through the Stanford band into history.

Joe: I don't think a single person in the entire sellout crowd has walked outside the confines of the stadium yet. Even to go underneath the stands to party some more. The field is indescribable yet. It is so packed, so full that the players for California are trying to go around the field carrying the big Axe which they have won back as they finish their season 7-4, have had to have a path cleared for them to walk around the stadium. And what is more dramatic than anything, is the overwhelming movement, action, and excitement of Blue and Gold against the red sea down to our right that is stunned into absolute silence. They are virtually immobile. I have not seen a member of the Stanford band so much as move in the past 3 minutes. They are just now beginning to try to get some semblance of sanity back into their lives as they reflect on the fact that they in a way helped the California Golden Bears win the 85th Big Game here today by a score of 25-20. Once again from here in Berkeley...where the serenading and the songs and the music and the parties will go on late into the night as people years from now...will say they were here today for what has to be as of this moment the greatest Big Game in history. The California Golden Bears win it. Once again the final score: California 25, Stanford 20....[Fight for California is played...]


The SF Examiner article:

(Berkeley, Ca) Shocked and grief-stricken Stanford players and coaches reacted with bitterness and anger at what one of them termed a robbery in yesterday's 85th Big Game.
``This was an insult to college football'' quarterback John Elway said after Cal's unbelievable 57-yard kickoff return gave the Bears a 25-20 triumph on the last play of the game.

``It was just a farce. They (the officials) didn't have control of the whole game. They ruined my last game as a college football player.''

``I don't believe they can take something away like that. I don't believe they can take something like that away from this program.''

``Something has to be done about the referees, there's no doubt in my mind. Its all right to make a mistake, but somebody should be man enough to stand up and admit it.''

``It was a very bittersweet ending. I did not want it to end this way. It's something I'll have to live with the rest of my life.''

The article goes on to descibe Standford's coach (Paul Wiggin), AD (Andy Geiger) and other players' reactions. Most of their complaints centered around Dwight Garner's knee being down. A few more excerpts include:
The Stanford players - those of whom were able to talk - still couldn't believe what had happened 45 minutes after the game. Some of them just slumped in the tunnel that leads to the visiting locker room at Memorial Stadium and cried.
The loss also apparently eliminates the Cards [note: not the Cardinal] from consideration for the Hall of Fame Bowl in Birmingham, Ala., on News Year Eve. The Hall of Fame Bowl representatives were in the press box yesterday, and they were ready to extend an invitation had Stanford won the game. ``At this point I don't think so,'' Geiger said when asked about the bowl possibility. ``The gentlemen said good-bye and they were very nice.''

[alster]

If you are having Omaha.. count me in.... aprice@sanjuan.edu

[BigKahuna]

Are you related or know Al?

[Hagar]

alster IS Omaha Al. I guess he's related, but I don't hink he knows him. ;)