Hagar
01-18-2006, 04:27 PM
Very short session today as I got fed up with their lack of ability to run a consistent game.
Previous post have mentioned their betting line painted on the table. Every session is the same; players fail to understand the line often crossing it with more chip than they leave. Most of the dealers are too dense or too chicken to offer the player a warning and iinform them of the rules, it usually ends up being the regulars who have to bring it up and then some of the dealers will explain the rule.
Today, one guy who I see there all the time, but is usually sitting at the 3/6 game, violated the line rule when he raised and dropped part of his stack off in the line, carrying chips back out with him. I mentioned that he should be careful doing that and that technically all of his chips should be in the pot right now. The dealer, who has no business being at a poker table, let alone a NL game had no clue what to do and there was some confusion. the other player in the hand folded and the issue had no impact on the hand.
We talked about the rule a little and got on with the game. A few minutes later, the guy went over to the cage and was talking to the main floor guy (Coyote) and then a few minutes later Coyote was at our table telling us what the line "really meant" going on about angle shooters who check with a fistful of chips. 2 of us regulars told him that nobody else who ran this room enforced the rule as you just described (in your poor broken English). "You are wrong and so are they." was his response. "Look, you guys have got to get a set of standard rules in this place. It's bad enough that each dealer runs a slightly different game, but the floor guys have got to get onto the same page."
Meanwhile, the guy who bet improperly (who is a bit of a hothead) started wagging his finger at me saying:
"What were you doing even bringing it up? You were'nt even in the hand!"
"I'm just trying to see the rules get enforced consistently. I don't care one way or the other as long as it's the same everytime I come in this place."
"Well you must care you keep going on about it..."
That was enough. In fact, I was in the hand and just folded before I brought up the rule and besides I wasn't trying to force him to leave his chips in, it was just a freindly notice that all dealers aren't as clueless as the stupid broad that was working the table at that time. The guy just pissed me off and Coyote is a poor excuse for a pokeroom floorman did nothiung to shut him up. I picked up my chips "I'll be back when you guys figure out how to run a poker room! And you, go fuck yourself!"
(I wished I had handled it differently, but I got flustered by all the baffoonary going on around me and just left rather than to sit there steaming.)
I headed downstairs to cashout and asked the cashier who I could talk to about how their poker room is run. I contacted the upper poker room management and ended up repeating my story to 3 different guys. By the time the third guy got there, he said "Coyote has already been dealt with regarding this issue." (Apparently word of the disturbancea had already gotten to him before he was called to our little meeting.)
I reinforced how critical it is that their room have the same rules day in, dayout, regardless of who the dealer is or who is running the show that shift. There's just been too many little inconsitencies and it's really not that hard to have a set of rules and enforce them. They thanked me for bringing it to thier attention and seemed genuinely interested in making things better. I guess we'll see.
I wish there was anaohter 1/2 game in town so I could just blow that place off for a while. I don't really have another outlet to try to grow my BR so I can take on the bigger games (3/6, 4/8 is just not an option), so I guess I'll have to back eventually. But I am gonna give it a rest for a while. Hopefully they'll get their shit together in the meantime.
Previous post have mentioned their betting line painted on the table. Every session is the same; players fail to understand the line often crossing it with more chip than they leave. Most of the dealers are too dense or too chicken to offer the player a warning and iinform them of the rules, it usually ends up being the regulars who have to bring it up and then some of the dealers will explain the rule.
Today, one guy who I see there all the time, but is usually sitting at the 3/6 game, violated the line rule when he raised and dropped part of his stack off in the line, carrying chips back out with him. I mentioned that he should be careful doing that and that technically all of his chips should be in the pot right now. The dealer, who has no business being at a poker table, let alone a NL game had no clue what to do and there was some confusion. the other player in the hand folded and the issue had no impact on the hand.
We talked about the rule a little and got on with the game. A few minutes later, the guy went over to the cage and was talking to the main floor guy (Coyote) and then a few minutes later Coyote was at our table telling us what the line "really meant" going on about angle shooters who check with a fistful of chips. 2 of us regulars told him that nobody else who ran this room enforced the rule as you just described (in your poor broken English). "You are wrong and so are they." was his response. "Look, you guys have got to get a set of standard rules in this place. It's bad enough that each dealer runs a slightly different game, but the floor guys have got to get onto the same page."
Meanwhile, the guy who bet improperly (who is a bit of a hothead) started wagging his finger at me saying:
"What were you doing even bringing it up? You were'nt even in the hand!"
"I'm just trying to see the rules get enforced consistently. I don't care one way or the other as long as it's the same everytime I come in this place."
"Well you must care you keep going on about it..."
That was enough. In fact, I was in the hand and just folded before I brought up the rule and besides I wasn't trying to force him to leave his chips in, it was just a freindly notice that all dealers aren't as clueless as the stupid broad that was working the table at that time. The guy just pissed me off and Coyote is a poor excuse for a pokeroom floorman did nothiung to shut him up. I picked up my chips "I'll be back when you guys figure out how to run a poker room! And you, go fuck yourself!"
(I wished I had handled it differently, but I got flustered by all the baffoonary going on around me and just left rather than to sit there steaming.)
I headed downstairs to cashout and asked the cashier who I could talk to about how their poker room is run. I contacted the upper poker room management and ended up repeating my story to 3 different guys. By the time the third guy got there, he said "Coyote has already been dealt with regarding this issue." (Apparently word of the disturbancea had already gotten to him before he was called to our little meeting.)
I reinforced how critical it is that their room have the same rules day in, dayout, regardless of who the dealer is or who is running the show that shift. There's just been too many little inconsitencies and it's really not that hard to have a set of rules and enforce them. They thanked me for bringing it to thier attention and seemed genuinely interested in making things better. I guess we'll see.
I wish there was anaohter 1/2 game in town so I could just blow that place off for a while. I don't really have another outlet to try to grow my BR so I can take on the bigger games (3/6, 4/8 is just not an option), so I guess I'll have to back eventually. But I am gonna give it a rest for a while. Hopefully they'll get their shit together in the meantime.