Another tuesday morning Did I do anything wrong?

[T]

Last night, side game tourney, $10 buy in at the bar. Blinds are 50/100 currently in the hand are SB,BB 2 limpers and I look down and I get dealt AA on the button. I announce "I'm gonna raise".

I then start stacking chips. My intention was to bet 400. I never said "raise to 400, just I'm gonna raise". I had 3-100 chips out, I then started to put 4-25 chips out, but I only had 3, so I pulled the 25's off and grabbed 2 50's for T-400.

I had committed no chips to the pot. I didn't move any chips toward the pot. I was going through my chips, getting a total of 400

As I grabbed for the 2 50 chips to make the total 400, the small blind gets loud saying I can only bet the 300. The only legal bet is 300. I then told him he was crazy. I had committed no chips to the pot. I announced raise, my bet is 400.

He then goes on this whole....well if you try to pull that shit on the boats, they will make sure you are only betting the 300 because apparently the boats are the be all end all for poker rules around here. My reply was. I don't play on the boats, I committed zero to the pot and was stacking my bet of 400. He keeps on his whole rules interpratation. At this point, I'm pissed off at the guy because he won't shut the hell up. I put my 400 out and say...."This is goddamn bar poker, we aren't at the boats, the fucking bet is 400, call, raise or fold". and that was the end of it. The flop came out, the UTG hit his king of the flop, pushed all in and I called of course and won the hand. Then SB kept saying...I wasn't trying to get you all mad, I'm just letting you know you were wrong. My reply to him was....Well you did a good job of pissing me off and I don't know you are even correct, eventhough you beleive you are.


So was I in the wrong for stacking 75 on the stack, then pulling it off to add 2 50's for a bet of 400? I checked my rules book from HPT which has a version of RRoP, but I could find nothing about stacking chips after you announced raise. looking to you guys for an unbiased view.

T

[pond007]

IMHO you did nothing wrong. Had you said I raise 300 and then stack 400, sure. but simply saying your going to raise doesn't limit your bet.

[spade117]

Chips in denominations of 50?


:fail:

[Guma]

Nope you are were correct, so long as you had not committed any chips to the pot. However, that little tidbit can be interpreted a few different ways.

Were the chips in front of your cards? If so, this may have been his gripe.

Bar poker, playing with rooks who think they know everything this is what you are going to run into.

[T]

Nope you are were correct, so long as you had not committed any chips to the pot. However, that little tidbit can be interpreted a few different ways.

Were the chips in front of your cards? If so, this may have been his gripe.

Bar poker, playing with rooks who think they know everything this is what you are going to run into.

I had my chips in a tower in the following order top to bottom

10's
25's
50's
100's

The tower was to the left of my cards that I had my :stfu:on as my card cover.

I picked up the tower and pulled 3 100's from the bottom, put them in front of the cards by like 2" and a total of 8" max from the edge of the table, keeping the tower to the left of the cards. I then grabbed the 25's and 10's off the top of the tower and put the 25's on the stack of 300, counted them and found only 3. I wanted a bet of 400, not 375, so I put the greens back on the tower, picked up from the greens and picked up 2-50 chips and placed them on the stack of 3-100 chips.

The guy went nuts when I put the 25's back and reached for the 50's.

T

[Charlutz]

I'd bet that if he thought you were ahead, his gripe before you started stacking 50's would have been "you can't pull chips back, you have to bet at least $375."

It's hard to know how your stacking looked without being there. He took it the wrong way and was obviously wound up tight trying to control himself.

[doughboy63]

My unbiased view would be that they don't let you pull that shit on the boats.

[T]

I'd bet that if he thought you were ahead, his gripe before you started stacking 50's would have been "you can't pull chips back, you have to bet at least $375."

It's hard to know how your stacking looked without being there. He took it the wrong way and was obviously wound up tight trying to control himself.


I personally think he was pissed I was raising his SB. This guy is a maniac with any King in his hand. Now in retrospect, I shoulda kept it at 300 and busted him out too. I think he would have called the 300 because he probably had a king, but wouldn't call the 400 with a weak sauce kicker. I didn't want him in the hand anyhow as soon as I saw AA.

He was saying that my initial dropping of the 300 was the max I could bet, not even the 375, let alone the 400.

All these fucksticks who play on Monday night all think they are at the final table of the ME. They cruise up to the boats in Gary/Michigan City and all the sudden they are pros. They go up there and get beat up by the daily grinders who all know each other and as soon as you enter a pot, it is a given that one of the regulars will move in on you and your entire stack. To me that just isn't a good time.

T

[Bratwurst]

Chips in denominations of 50?


:fail:

Beat me to it.

Friends don't let friends play bar poker.

[pie taster]

I didn't move any chips toward the pot.

GOOD! No forward motion of chips towards the pot!


I picked up the tower and pulled 3 100's from the bottom, put them in front of the cards by like 2" and a total of 8" max from the edge of the table...

D'OH!!!!

That sounds like forward motion to me. it's a raise to 300. You can avoid this by declaring the amount with the raise. Or stacking your chips to the side. But you can not go forward with your chips.

[Aust1227]

D'OH!!!!

That sounds like forward motion to me. it's a raise to 300. You can avoid this by declaring the amount with the raise. Or stacking your chips to the side. But you can not go forward with your chips.

I agree.. Chips in front of cards is usually considered a bet. Further "reaching back to your stack", would be a string bet, and thus, illegal.

[timsta007]

Unless there is a betting line or some other area designated as staging area for your chips. If there is a betting line, you can do just about anyfuckingthing you want until the chips cross the line. They have to go accross in one motion or verbally. I've seen games run where the TD will give a lot of latitude on how much area you can use as staging are for your chips regardles of where your cards are assuming you state your intention to raise like the OP did. If you are staging behind your capped cards though, there shouldn't be a reason to challenge it as a string bet.

[T]

I like the term "staging area". I made no forward motion to the pot with the chips as a group. I verbalized my intent to raise. I was staging/stacking my bet to 400, then I would put it in the pot, like I did all night long. There was no variation in my adding my chips to the pot the entire night.

T

[Aust1227]

T - Stay away from the bar league poker. it is making you crazy!

[T]

T - Stay away from the bar league poker. it is making you crazy!

No shit. Most of the time its my only fix to get a game in. There are only a few jack asses in the mix, I've just been stuck with them lately at my table. The upside is that with work back in full swing, I'm normally busy on Monday nights from now until about June.

T